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need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:44 pm

I don't think my case is covered by any of the existing articles on this forum. So if someone can help to expand my knowledge it would be much appreciated. I apologise that it is such a long post but a lot of detail is involved.

I have already spent weeks talking to gestors, jefes at ITV stations, Spanish people who import vehicles, ex-pats who help Brits import vehicles, etc. and I still don't have a clear statement of what it is I need.

My bike is a Suzuki DR650, it was originally registered in Germany in 1997, it was then imported into UK in 2003. The bike has been in Spain in my garage since October 2005.

The documents that I have are:-
1. UK Registration Certificate V5C.
2. Last UK MOT certificate expired Oct 2006.
3. Letters from Suzuki GB and Suzuki GmBH certifying that the bike originally conformed to German National Type Approval, including the specification of the bike (similar to a ficha reducida). (Suzuki charged me £75 for this.)
4. A copy of the specification (ficha reducida) for the Spanish model of the DR650.

Suzuki GB tell me that the DR650s were never subject to European Whole Vehicle Type Approval, which is the present standard - not in UK, Spain or Germany.

I think that the next thing that I have to do is have the bike inspected by an ingeniero tecnico who will report that the bike conforms to some specification or other.

The most helpful person that I that I have spoken to so far is a local garage owner who imports vehicles regularly. He sent me off to the local ITV station to ask the jefe if the documents I have are sufficient to import the bike. The jefe said "yes they are" it can be imported using the German Type National Type Approval number, I also asked if it could be imported using the Spanish National Type Approval Number, he said "no it couldn't".

My bike is a model SP46B, the model imported to Spain was the SP46A, the specifications appear to be almost identical and I expect the German one is a bit more rigorous. But if I can import using the German Type Approval Number that's fine by me.

When I went back to the "helpful person" he said he thought there could be a problem importing with a German Type Approval Number and a UK V5C reg doc and that I might need the original German reg doc (!) and he says to go to another ITV station and ask again. But what if they say "no you can't"? Who is right? What can I do?

What I would like to know is:-
A. Do I have all the documents I need to take to the ingeniero tecnico and then the ITV station?
B. Is the fact that the Type Approval is German and the reg doc UK really a problem?
C. Who can give me a definitive answer to A. and B. that is not subject to the opinions of the jefes at the ITV stations?
D. Are all ITV stations able to handle importations or is it only some of them?
E. If the ITV jefe says my documents are sufficient and goes ahead with the inspection and is satisfied, could some higher up person then overturn his decision?

I hope someone who knows anything about this might be able to help. Many thanks if you can.

Tony

 

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Re: need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:59 pm

Hello Tony,
I see you have a real big problem, (buy a car). No I would like to help you out but I am afraid that I am not up to it, you could try a guy called Shane Tonks, he writes for "The Costa Blanca News" as their motering correspondant, if he dont know then he knows someone who will.

Here is his email address I will give him a run down of your problem ok?

cartalk2003 @ yahoo.com (copy and paste into your email browser)


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Re: need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:19 pm

Thanks for the contact Countryboy, I will try Shane.

All help is much appreciated.

Tony

 

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Re: need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:42 pm

hi,hope this helps we had a to do to change uk scooter its a bit different to your problem but this guy seems to no all! they import german cars etc. he is in antas e-mail tallerdaydo @ hotmail.com good luck

 

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Re: need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:02 pm

Thanks, chrisie. I'll try your man too. It'll be good if I can find someone who really does know all.

Tony

 

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Re: need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:20 pm

You should be able to use the German type approval number without many problems.

In fact if you've owned the motorcycle on the v5 for longer than six months from the date you went for Spanish residency then it's not really an issue as you will be bringing it in on a personal import scheme, which bypasses the EU type approval scheme.

However, You will be subject to import duty if you have not tried to register the motorcycle within 30 days of your residency.

Based on your bike being 640(ish) cc then the amount of import duty payable will be around the €850

Also worth mentioning that it needs a LHD headlight in it before you try for an ITV, also the speedo has to be in KPH (it can be in MPH & KPH)

Just remember:

The German type approval number is just to prove it conforms to their standards (thus the EU)

Your V5 is just prof of ownership (the newer V5 should have the type approval number on it, some slipped through in the old days so it's not always 100% there)

You will NEVER be allowed to use a Spanish type approval number unless it was originally a Spanish bike!

 

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Re: need info on importing motorcycle

Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:01 am

Zelnik, your post seems very helpful, thank you.

I have been hearing stories of the UK V5 for a bike of German origin being a problem but from what you say it should not be.

I'm a bit concerned about the amount of import duty. Is it based on the value of the bike or the engine size? It is a 10 year old bike so it's value is probably no more than 1500€. I have owned the bike since 2005 and it's been in Spain since then, my residency in Spain is only from this year but is now more than 30 days. What do you think my position is on the import duty?

The speedo is KPH. The headlight seems to be original and seems to dip right, it has codes E4 HC/R.

 

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