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Pool heating - heat pump exchangers

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Pool heating - heat pump exchangers

Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:13 pm

I have been looking into this and received some estimates in Portugal for the pump and installation. They seem to go up to about 6K euro. I know some people have talked about buying from the UK and shipping over the pump to Portugal. Is there anyone that has done that? Since a pump is heavy how did you ship it? Someone I spoke to here from a pool shop said they flew and carried the pump by air freight at the same time. I have no idea how much an airline would charge for that - has anyone else?
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Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:23 pm

Why are you looking at the UK? Not really a high proportion of swimming pools are there? Check out wholesalers in Spain or France if you want to save money. Main brands are Air Energy, Heat Syphon, Hayward.

Purchasing in UK would give you the equipment only and an expensive transport bill. You have to bear in mind warranty and breakdown issues. So the nearer the better.

The pool equipment wholesalers in Portugal are pretty competitive these days and I would be very surprised if it wasn't possible to buy cheaper in PT than UK, with the advantage of having local warranty.

 

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Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:36 pm

Have you considered solar? I ordered from UK and fitted myself for 3500 euros. pool at 30C. neglible running costs. heat pump will heat all year but will you really swim when only 17C outside with a cool breeze? You could also add solar hot water tank for free water most of the year and it would still cost less than 6k

 

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Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:16 pm

MrBife
Why I was considering the UK is simply because other people have referred to the heat pumps being much more expensive in PT than UK. I accept in relation to the warranty, which clearly has to be an issue. One of our problems is the pound/euro rate. I do not know any wholesales in Porgugal. Have you got any links I can go to. The estimates I got were going straight to those who advertised in the local free paper.
Pete
When we considered solar before and I looked at postings and other info I'm sure it would have cost about 20K to heat the pool by way of solar. Clearly you have a completely different experience. 3500 sounds great and so does 30C. We have the usual solar panels/water cylinder going onto the roof, but that is all. Can you let me know a bit more please.
Thank you to you both!.

 

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Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:12 pm

- Yvette

We have the usual solar panels/water cylinder going onto the roof,



Plenty of spare energy there then, especially if you oversize the panels just slightly! You may also need to change the design just a little and will probably find it better to use a separate internal water cylinder (looks much better too). Speak to your engineer or architect and ask him about incorporating a simple heat exchanger to use all that spare heat for the pool.

Do it correctly and it will cost a fraction of a separate pool heater to install and almost zero to run. (Just enough electricity to run a small circulating pump) Even a small & efficient electric pool heater takes 3kw so is approximately 35cents an hour + you have to buy it in the first place.

 

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Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:18 pm

Yvette, can you pm your email and i will send link to solar shop in uk + some pics of my install. By you saying usual solar panel and tank going on roof, that sounds like an all in one job. What I have is separate panel which create a loop of very hot water. this loop can then be passed into a water cylinder in the house or can go to the pool to transfer heat to pool water

 

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Post Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:48 pm

Hi could probably help you out as the company i work for fit pool heaters and solar. We fit solar for around 3.2k but that would be for a 300ltr tank only the pool heater would be a seperate option, as the system we fit is new technology and works by extracting its energy from the atmosphere so works wether it is in sustained periods of cloud etc. A lot depends on your layout and supply, etc, so needs to be looked at.

 

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