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Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

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Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:07 pm

Hi

I have another thread going about our teenage daughter not wanting to go to canada.

However, we were discussing in work today about how easily Canadians accept immigrants into their country and in particular English famillies.

I have always found Canadians extremely friendly, open and very courteous when we have visited the country.

Has anybody experienced anything different once they moved over?

Regards


Marian

 

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Re: Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:57 pm

Marian:

Remember that one of the two founding groups in Canada were British people. We are still a member of the British Commonwealth, and have a Parliamentray system of government, and our law is based on British commonlaw practices. WE call our Police by the same term you are used to, Constable, and we use the same concpets for many of our day to day terms.

Untill you speak, I wouldn't be able to tell WHERE you come from, you would just be another face on the street, unless you went out of your way to make you citizenship known. Even then, in Canada we meet newcomers every day and don't take much notice unless they are going to be working at the next desk over.

Canadians have perfected the ability to absorb people from all over the globe, and we make friends just the same way that you do, based on what we like to do ( similar interests or passions ) and somewtimes it is the kids that bring us together. It is much more likely that some one will NOT like you based on their personal tastes and opinions, rather than on your being from the UK.

Having said that, there is a particular type of Immigrant that does have a bad reputation here. They don't come from any one place, but they do have a "attitude" that is seen from a mile away. They think that everyone here in Canada is inferior, and they are doing us a favour by being here. This manifests its self in such statements as " Oh we don't do it that way back home", or "Why do you do it that way here? " And the really irksome statement........" I had a house full of servants back home , so I don't do such work here.".

Fitting in is not hard, and in your case I should think it will be really easy, as you have the advantage of having been here before.

Jim B Toronto.

 

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Re: Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:00 pm

Hi Jim

Thank you for your reply. You always have great advice and you are a real asset to this site for people wanting to know about Canada. Don't know if you recall, but you gave me some good advice about my teenage daughter not wanting to emmigrate with us.

I think it is very important for any immigrant, whichever come they come from, to take the time to learn the ways and culture of a new country. We did recognise a lot of "English" ways in Canada but that isn't so important for us as we are keen to take on the Canadian way of life. What would be the point in emmigrating if you are just going to stick to your old life but in a different country???? My brother lives in Southern Spain....and it is just like a English gathering. Nobody has bothered to learn the language, they shop in an store that has imported English food and all their friends are ex pats who just moved over there to have a "little bit of England" but with better weather.

With the help of our Canadian family, we are keen to embrace your way of life and introduce our children to what Canada has to offer.

The conversation as work started because one of our colleagues had just returned from Australia (Sydney) where they emmigrated 2 years ago. They were just not accepted into the neighbourhood, for no real reason othe than being English...or that is what they felt. Their children were always taunted for having "a funny accent" and the parents felt that they were discriminated when applying for jobs. I think this could happen in any country. There has always been a saying that Australians don't like the English.....so naturally the conversation was directed at me re Canadians/English.

As I said in my thread, I have never had any problems with the Canadians I have met, quite the opposite.

We have an immigration problem here which is spiralling out of control. We have many who come into the country, disappear and can no longer be traced by the authorities. Those that they do manage to keep an eye on have no intention of working as they get plenty of hand-outs from our government - housing, health care, unemployment benefits etc. I am not saying that this is every immigrant, but the numbers are increasing.

Thank you Jim for your sound advice. You should start charging!!!!

Regards


mal

 

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Re: Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:53 am

I am blushing................Thanks for that nice compliment.

I say it as I see it, and I don't think that putting a candy coating on a subject does anyone any good.

Let me be the very first to say this...................Canada is NOT perfect, not by any means, BUT it does offer a new start and a fresh new place to live, without many of the "old country" strains and hardships, that you want to leave behind.

We also have the great example of liviing right next door to the "Elephant", the USA.

We call it the elephant because of a comment made in the 70's by a past Canadian Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau. He said that we ( Canada ) were like the mouse that has to sleep in the same bed with an elephant. Every time that they ( the USA) sneeze, we get a bad cold. And when they turn over in their sleep we have to run like hell to keep from being smothered.

We as Canadians, watch the USA with a mixture of amusement, and distrust and fear. They are an object lesson on how not to run a country, or how to be a international nation. WE do, in many cases, the exact opposite to what they do, based on our knowledge of their past history and it's failures. Example, we banned personal ownership of hanguns in Canada, in 1934, as a direct result of watching their experience with them over there. Canada out-lawed slavery in 1834, and was of course the destination of many American slaves who escaped along the Under Ground railway, to Canada, and to safety, during the US Civil War, when they killed over 700,000 of their own people.

In a more modern era, during the war in Viet Nam, many US men came to Canada, instead of fighting in what they considered to be a immoral war. Some of them never went home and are now leading citizens in Canada.

Canada has to struggle to maintain our own identity, and our own culture while being right next door to such a cultural juggernaught. That was why in 1972 we brought in the "Can-Con" rules that said Canadian radio stations HAD to play at least35 percent Canadian writen and perfomed content music in every hour of the day.

WE also had to place a import duty on popular US magazines and books to try to keep our own publishing industry alive. We still have a system of awards that encourage new Canadian writers and music people to stay in Canada.

I have a "full house" cable tv service that gived me 999 channels ( that is not a typo) and it includes a few HUNDRED US stations, as well as some from all over the world. I also have a 24 hour no commercial radio service, that has 150 selections, all with individual music types, like rock, blues, jazz, and franco canadian rock and chinese traditional music, so we have great access to the most amazingly wide ranging services here in Toroonto and across Canada. Even small isolated Arctic circle towns have the same services if the people want to buy them.

Being a huge country,Canada has been a leader in communications for a
long time. Telgraph and then telephone, and then radio, were all very important to our opening of The West. Now we have 3 TV networks that are national in scope and dozens of local stations as well. Even the most desolate parts of Canada get CBC tv and radio by satelitte and now the new cars are being equipped with sat radios that allow a driver to listen to the same chanel right across the country if they wish to do so, and without any commercial messages to distract them un-like the regular stations.

Australians................I had to laugh at the idea of them making fun of YOUR accents................

Cheers Jim B.

 

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Re: Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:19 am

Hi Jim

Didn't mean to make you blush.....but your knowledge of your homeland...I mean everything....is just amazing. I have read the advice you have given on lots of threads....and you really need to think about taking "a cut" for your advice!!!! My hubby was reading just some of the advice you have given and he said "that's the kind of guy you need....to tell you the good and bad points"...and you have been very sincere in your advice.

It must be hard living next to a country like the US......but having visited Canada, you are certainly your own country...although I suppose it would be hard for some of "the elephants" ways not to influence your lives. They influence our lives and we are on the other side of the pond!!

Thanks for your help Jim, I am sure we will cross paths again. Would you mind if I contacted you again once my journey truely begins??

Regards

Mal

 

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Re: Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:29 pm

Mal:

Funny you should mention the idea of "giving advice", as I am about to start on draft of a book about how to come to Canada without tears.

I would be happy to hear from you, at any time. Don't forget to tell me about your adventures in Canada, good or bad.

On the USA............as individuals they are nice people, but in a group they tend to be very loud and insensitive about other's feelings. As I mentioned I have been a tour bus commentator here in Toronto, for the last few summers, and my passengers are about 50 percent from the USA. The lack of world knowledge that they exhibit is astounding, and it is reflected in the questions that they ask of me.

Where are the polar bears? Why can't I use a US stamp on my post card? How come you all have this monopoly money ? Is the Coke here like it is in the States? Why do you have so many hotels ? Can I buy a dog and take it home to Ohio? I don't want to sit near those rag heads.

You get the idea..........

Cheers Jim B Toronto. Where it is now minus 5 C and snowing lightly.

 

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Re: Will we be accepted as English immigrants??

Post Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:13 pm

Hi Jim

The book sounds fab!!!! You should definately do it, with your knowledge, it will be a hit..honestly!!!

I smiled re the Americans, as I actually like them but I do agree about them being very loud. I think they are so expressive as a nation that they don't really know how loud they get. We like going over to Florida and would like to be a "Snow bird" and go there in the winters......all dreams!!!
I bet you have had some funny incidents with your touring job....have you struggled to keep a straight face????

My hubby looks at webcams across Canada and it looked very cold and snowy in Barrie (where we want to go to)....I have never seen such a covering of snow in my entire life!!!! Then he clicked onto the Collingwood ski webcam and it looked fab....all the children ski-ing etc

Do you manage to get around OK when you have bad weather??? If the schools close and you have young children.....what do you do about going to work...are employers understanding??

It's about 7 degree here and I have nearly finished work..yippee!!!!! Am going to parent's evening at my daughter's school to discuss the formal exams she will take this year......have a good day

Thanks Jim

Regards

mal

 

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