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Learning the language

Post Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:37 pm

Sorry for bringing language learning up, I'm sure there are threads, I couldn't find one and I couldn't find a search button.

We're determined to move to Portugal asap, and I'm determined to learn the basics if not more, of the language before we get there. I can speak a bit of Spanish and many words seem the same, so I'm hoping it won't be mega hard for me, but it will be a challenge.

My question is, has anybody found a good Learn European Portuguese book or online course which has helped them? Still in the UK so will have to be able to buy the book here. Many thanks.

 

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Re: Learning the language

Post Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Hi Rascale,

I'm moving out to Azores when my build is finished (hopefully, depending on finances, as I want to retire).

I bought the *full* Michel Thomas Method European Portuguese Course. It is very good and gets you into the basics and a bit beyond. It comes on 8 CD's and sort of puts you in a classroom environment - handy if you don't have access to real classes.

But, here's my observation... and I have also done a fair bit of online stuff ... I can speak (a bit) to be understood - but can't for the hell of me follow conversational Portuguese at full speed.

It just gets so 'slushy'!

I reckon the only way will be when I am surrounded by it all the time ... even then the Portuguese just love to talk in English, so eavesdropping conversations is going to be beneficial, as every time I've attempted Portuguese they just start talking back to me in English, if they can. Smile

Best of luck and let us know how you get on. PS beware of Spanish when trying to learn Portuguese.

I am also aware of the biggie with Portuguese.... and that is that if you *try* you will be well thought of. And helped. You will get some really big laughs and smiles at your attempts -this is not 'taking the mickey', but rather that they truly find your accent hilarious! LOL.

I equate it to the policeman on "'Ello 'Ello" comedy series. Imagine how we must sound if we get all the inflections or vowels slightly wrong. Great!

 

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Re: Learning the language

Post Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:38 pm

Hi, what made you move to the Azores? We like the Algarve, of course, but it will be expensive. We have been further north, but we are going to come on holiday in March and drive around for 3 weeks just to get a feel for places. Having lived in Spain for 3 years we kind of know what we're looking for.

Thanks for the info, I'm the same with Spanish re listening, I used to walk away then it used to dawn on me what they'd said, too late. I do feel I used to panic a bit when spoken to. My Spanish accent must have been terrible!I'm listening to some online stuff just to get the accent, but I want something to guide me through in a logical order. I was doing Duolingo, then realised it was Brazilian Portuguese which is different.

 

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Re: Learning the language

Post Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:01 pm

Hi Rascale... well, why the Azores... it could take a book Smile It is just so damn beautiful. Of course each island has its own character. I'm heading for the Azure Isle - Faial, with a plot that looks over the neighbouring island of Pico, and St. Jorge further off. So, you get three islands for the price of one - each within a very short and cheap ferry trip of each other.

You might like to visit my blog, documenting the process of the build,and a fair bit about the island:

skirkby.wixsite.com/azores

As an aside, we are looking here at 1000 per sq.m for the (luxury) build, so considering the location in the middle of the Atlantic, not that expensive. Living costs are crazy cheap compared to the UK, with the exception of cars, which are extortionately expensive, but I think this is the case for Portugal in general.

Regarding language - you can use BP as a learning guide. European Portuguese is just more 'proper' LOL. Seriously, yes, there are some pronunciation differences - I have heard that the BP is much more sing song and less slavic sounding than CP. (continental).

There is also the big difference in the use of Tu and Voce. They use Voce in BP, Tu being reserved for addressing God. in CP Tu is used to address a close friend or family. Voce is not used as much.

But really, you can still use a BP resource OK. Also of course there will be certain ways of saying something that is different from BP to CP. So the colloquialisms will differ.

Having said that, many Portuguese people are watching Brazilian film on Netflix etc, so there is a lot of crossover nowadays, with Brazil being more progressive with the language - which is transferring (especially with young people) into CP. BP includes more foreign words, apparently - so they steal from the native indian language and the USA. This is finding its way into CP.

Keep in touch. Best Steve

 

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Re: Learning the language

Post Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:31 pm

Oh, I will look at the blog. OH will be interested in it too as he wants to buy land if we can. Is it scary buying land in Portugal, it always seemed a bit tricky in Spain as they seemed to impose lots of retrospective laws.

 

rascale
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Re: Learning the language

Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:17 pm

You might both be interested in "Practice Portuguese". It is European Portuguese and I found it easy to follow.

Rascale, for future reference, the 'Search' button is at the top of the Portuguese home page underneath the 'Newtopic' button. Hope that helps.

 

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Re: Learning the language

Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:42 pm

Thanks Jetlagged - will be checking out this afternoon, Saturday is my Portuguese Language Day Smile

 

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